Thursday, January 10, 2008

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy

Rudy Giuliani is the forgotten man in the Republican presidential nomination race.

But Patrick Basham, the director of the Democracy Institute, argues it's too early to count Rudy out.

Check out his analysis.

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

He is done!!!

Paulites will likely focus on the fact that his campaign advisor is a former Bilderberg attendee, an organization that most Paulites vehemently oppose...

If not, they will find out other things about Frum...

As I have said, time to go home Rudy and David... Wrong man again, Frum...

Anonymous said...

Besides Rudy doesn't have a prayer against whomever the Dems would run against him...

I suspect that Bloomberg would also do everything in his power to take Rudy down...

He can remind everyone about the fact that he was the mayor of New York during 9/11 all that he wants... New Yorkers in general still don't find him likeable...

Americans seem to wish to put 9/11 behind them... not have a president that constantly reminds them of it...

nbt said...

Rudy's "down the road" or "incremental" strategy sure reminds me of something I've seen before???

Hmmm...can you say Tom Flanagan??

In other words, Rudy has as much of a chance of winning the Republican nomination as the Harper tories do of governing like real conservatives. Either that, or Rudy and Tom are onto something?

Anonymous said...

NBT:

Did you say Rudy and Tom are on something?

That explains it.

I love the Atlantic's spin on why Ron Paul should pack it in.

Here are the facts:

Paul beat Rudy in Iowa -- 10% to 4 % in Iowa.

Paul drew Rudy in NH -- 9% to 9%
and Paul is from Texas.

Paul is currently raising more money than Rudy.

Rudy isn't liked by many.

The AEI folks can try to spin it, however, they want to, but Rudy seems like a lost cause.

rondi adamson said...

Anonymous -- Ron Paul is a bigot.

Anonymous said...

Rondi:

No, Mark Steyn is a bigot! Yet, some media types defend Bilderberg attending deejays like him to the death...

George Bush was an alcoholic and cocaine user, but I didn't see the media telling that to the American people pre-2000 or stop Frum from labelling him the "Right Man"...

Dr. Paul's message will be hard for a largely discredited media to put down even with unsubstantiated racial slurs...

Paul's message is Libertarianism, and it is about time really...

Anonymous said...

NBT:

"Incrementalism" sure reminds me of a strategy called neoconservatism as in a complete failure of an ideology a la Karl Rove...

Isn't it funny that Karl Rove and Tom Flanagan were both American born political science professors...

Rudy is selling nothing other than more Rove inspired garbage dressed up with a new front... similar to that crappy new book of David Frum's.

NB taxpayer said...

I have to agree with Rondi on this one. Paul's five percenters [newsletters] which are very questionable (at best) remind me a lot of what Jim Pankiw's office used to send out after they were barred from the Canadian Alliance.

I'm not saying they were outright racist, but they have a tone which is way passed being just anti-affirmative action and pro reform of the Indian Act.

In other words, I don't question some of Paul's policies, but if the judgement is not to vet some of that garbage written with his name at the top, then you should be held accountable for it (even if you didn't write it).

Anonymous said...

NBT:

I really don't think that the other guys (and gal) pundits attempts to dig up old (dubious) garbage on Dr. Paul and censor him from Fox debates are going to work with his fervent supporters south of the border...

Particularly when Paul seems to destroy all those other talking heads in any substantive debate with his intelligence...

I am not saying Paul is going to be the next President, but as the top campaign money earner of the GOP, his anti-neocon message speaking against large, secretive governments and unchecked spending will be around for awhile in a country where "money talks"... I am sticking by my assertion that Paul will take out Guiliani out of the race in the process...

Of course, Guiliani can always count Florida's past history of electoral irregularities...

PS. Gerry Nicholls seems to have alot in common with Ron Paul in that he seems to go against the grain and supports real conservatism and idealism...

nbt said...

Yes, but Gerry is also a realist and would never stoop to the level of prevaricating on an important question like "do you support the idea of 911 being a conspiracy concocted by the US government?" just to appease a few Chomskyites with a bottomless pit of cash. At least I hope he wouldn't? lol

Miles Lunn said...

Considering Rudy Guiliani put little money and effort into either Iowa or New Hampshire, I wouldn't count him out either. I think Super Tuesday, will be what decides whether he stays on or not. He is doing well in many large states like Florida and California and these ones have far more delegates than either Iowa or New Hampshire.

As for Ron Paul being a racist, some of his past statements suggest otherwise, although I hate to say this, but racism is still quite common throughout much of the South, it just is less in the open than it used to be.

I disagree with anonymous that Rudy Guiliani couldn't win, in fact he might be the Republicans last hope as he is someone who would be more of a moderate than a conservative and you need to win the moderates to win, you cannot win by just winning the liberals or just the conservatives.

Anonymous said...

NBT:

The 911 conspiracy idea is more mainstream media garbage designed to marginalize Dr. Paul...

Only messages that specifically say that they are approved by Ron Paul are Ron Paul's messages, and the idea that 9/11 was a conspiracy is not one of them...

As a parallel... If the CPC doesn't allow organ donations from gay men without scientific evidence for such a measure, doesn't that naturally mean that the CPC are homophobic or is this only such when the media propaganda machine labels these behaviours for us?

I think that we all know at some level that there is no GOP candidate that can match Dr. Paul's ideas in these GOP debates specifically:

(1) that fighting a war in Afghanistan that previously bankrupted the USSR is insane particularly when compounded with misadventures in Iraq,

(2) that the USA is in the midst of a recession already from poor monetary policy,

(3) that secretive groups like Bilderberg, the SPP and the Trilateral Commission have plans for North American union.

(4) that the USA's current trade policy with China is suicidal

(5) that the American Constituion and individual liberties of Americans are being infringed upon.

(6) that stifling debates by simply labelling individual conservatives as "unpatriotic" suppresses ideas that might advance society.

Time will tell who advances in these primaries -- I don't personally believe that it will be either Paul or Guiliani, but given the youth and relative enthusiasm of the Paul camp, this Libertarian's message will be around for a long time to come.

Anonymous said...

Did you guys also hear the latest rumour and innuendo from the Main Stream Media?

Apparently, Hillary is a rascist too... only Hillary's gaffe was yesterday and Paul's alleged racism (that he didn't even write) was in the 1980s...

Eventually, the American electorate will get sick of these cheap tribal tactics used by pundits of certain corporate media...

This behaviour will only make it more important to look at the candidate and what their messages are.

Ron Paul stands head and shoulders above the rest of the GOP when the issues are debated...

Rachel Marsden said...

"Anonymous", Karl Rove isn't/wasn't a "political science professor". He didn't even finish college because he spent his college days putting up flyers inviting homeless people to opposing candidates' townhall meetings.

My kind of guy!